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		<title>By: Jim Forster</title>
		<link>http://afromusing.com/2007/07/19/if-you-dont-like-the-network-make-your-own/comment-page-1/#comment-21148</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Forster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I should add one more bit: my line â??If you donâ??t like the network you have, go out and make your ownâ?? is kind of a riff on a tag line by a San Francisco area radio news person from the counter-cultural 60&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s named Scoop Nisker.   He always ended his news reports saying &#8220;This is Scoop Nisker reminding you: if you don&#8217;t like the news, go out and make some of your own&#8221;.    We should be makig news too!</p>
<p>  &#8212; Jim</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Forster</title>
		<link>http://afromusing.com/2007/07/19/if-you-dont-like-the-network-make-your-own/comment-page-1/#comment-21144</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Forster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riyaz,

A couple comments on your comments:

2. Yes, larger networks require more organization than smaller nets, and usually benefit from a commercial structure or at least a formal co-op.  Backbones Networks are important and require more planning, finance, maintenance, contracts for use, etc., but usally Access Networks are a large share of the total cost of networks, so lowering their cost is criticial.   (We&#039;ll save the African International bandwidth pricing issues for another time :-)

3. Yes, in the situations you describe you could use one technology within the housing estate (such as wires or mesh wifi), and then a slightly different technology to connect the estate to the nearest backbone (point to point WiFi with bigger antennae, maybe WiMax, maybe fiber if you&#039;re incredibly lucky or a University campus, or maybe Cellular EvDO/3G/HSPDA -- whatever works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riyaz,</p>
<p>A couple comments on your comments:</p>
<p>2. Yes, larger networks require more organization than smaller nets, and usually benefit from a commercial structure or at least a formal co-op.  Backbones Networks are important and require more planning, finance, maintenance, contracts for use, etc., but usally Access Networks are a large share of the total cost of networks, so lowering their cost is criticial.   (We&#8217;ll save the African International bandwidth pricing issues for another time <img src='http://afromusing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>3. Yes, in the situations you describe you could use one technology within the housing estate (such as wires or mesh wifi), and then a slightly different technology to connect the estate to the nearest backbone (point to point WiFi with bigger antennae, maybe WiMax, maybe fiber if you&#8217;re incredibly lucky or a University campus, or maybe Cellular EvDO/3G/HSPDA &#8212; whatever works.</p>
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		<title>By: AfroMusing</title>
		<link>http://afromusing.com/2007/07/19/if-you-dont-like-the-network-make-your-own/comment-page-1/#comment-20907</link>
		<dc:creator>AfroMusing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow Riyaz THANK YOU! This is much appreciated. Definitely answers my questions and then some.  As for the txt messages, whenever you have time... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Riyaz THANK YOU! This is much appreciated. Definitely answers my questions and then some.  As for the txt messages, whenever you have time&#8230; <img src='http://afromusing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: riyaz</title>
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		<dc:creator>riyaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2007 07:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wondering where to start here ... :)

1. The &quot;build your own network&quot; phenomenon is exactly what we&#039;ve seen in the local universities - students building their own dorm LANs to hook up self-owned computers in their rooms. Coz the administration networks never get to the stage of the dorms.  Melvin presented the JKUAT setup during BarCamp.
http://skunkworks-ke.blogspot.com/2007/03/post-barcamp-nairobi-kenya-31st-march.html

2. In my personal opinion - doing estates, apartment blocks etc is very easy. And a good business model too (see the section also on residential networks we covered at BarCamp - pity we&#039;ve not pushed it further). The technology exists (mesh WiFi like FON is great for this, or just simple cabling).
The problem comes about in scaling up this network to the city or metro scale - and that&#039;s hard to manage technically, as well as commercially (for a small entity). ie the part about linking all these community networks together. 
The technology has limitations - mesh WiFi doesn&#039;t work on a metro scale as proven all over the world ... you&#039;re looking at fiber, or more dedicated pipes.

3. Much of Kenya&#039;s topology makes it not so favorable for larger community networks - we have estates where houses are close to each other - these are perfect for FON-type networks. But then each estate is far away from the other (more than 200m) and this makes it a challenge. Also, the individual compounds with big trees are almost impossible to cover.
However, suitable areas are places like BuruBuru, Eastleigh, Parklands to an extent, and CBD.

4. So - if many private companies decided to build their own &amp; link them together ? Perfect. But in the past, this has just ended up creating a horribly fragmented market where everyone targets the same regions. So you get 10 networks in the same place - and they just kill each other. That&#039;s why the smaller estate idea in point 2 works better. Then what you do is  have a larger metro ISP or municipality providing the &quot;backbone&quot;.
Bits of this is actually happening in Mombasa ... I know several individuals offering cheap 5,000 internet access held together by &quot;strings&quot;. But it&#039;s very frustrating internet :)

5. I&#039;ve never thought about the issue of licensing for such networks - from BarCamp - one might need to get a CCK license for something like a WiFi access-point for your neighbourhood ?

6. The txt messages is quite common ... but how it works is again a loong explanation :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wondering where to start here &#8230; <img src='http://afromusing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>1. The &#8220;build your own network&#8221; phenomenon is exactly what we&#8217;ve seen in the local universities &#8211; students building their own dorm LANs to hook up self-owned computers in their rooms. Coz the administration networks never get to the stage of the dorms.  Melvin presented the JKUAT setup during BarCamp.<br />
<a href="http://skunkworks-ke.blogspot.com/2007/03/post-barcamp-nairobi-kenya-31st-march.html" rel="nofollow">http://skunkworks-ke.blogspot.com/2007/03/post-barcamp-nairobi-kenya-31st-march.html</a></p>
<p>2. In my personal opinion &#8211; doing estates, apartment blocks etc is very easy. And a good business model too (see the section also on residential networks we covered at BarCamp &#8211; pity we&#8217;ve not pushed it further). The technology exists (mesh WiFi like FON is great for this, or just simple cabling).<br />
The problem comes about in scaling up this network to the city or metro scale &#8211; and that&#8217;s hard to manage technically, as well as commercially (for a small entity). ie the part about linking all these community networks together.<br />
The technology has limitations &#8211; mesh WiFi doesn&#8217;t work on a metro scale as proven all over the world &#8230; you&#8217;re looking at fiber, or more dedicated pipes.</p>
<p>3. Much of Kenya&#8217;s topology makes it not so favorable for larger community networks &#8211; we have estates where houses are close to each other &#8211; these are perfect for FON-type networks. But then each estate is far away from the other (more than 200m) and this makes it a challenge. Also, the individual compounds with big trees are almost impossible to cover.<br />
However, suitable areas are places like BuruBuru, Eastleigh, Parklands to an extent, and CBD.</p>
<p>4. So &#8211; if many private companies decided to build their own &amp; link them together ? Perfect. But in the past, this has just ended up creating a horribly fragmented market where everyone targets the same regions. So you get 10 networks in the same place &#8211; and they just kill each other. That&#8217;s why the smaller estate idea in point 2 works better. Then what you do is  have a larger metro ISP or municipality providing the &#8220;backbone&#8221;.<br />
Bits of this is actually happening in Mombasa &#8230; I know several individuals offering cheap 5,000 internet access held together by &#8220;strings&#8221;. But it&#8217;s very frustrating internet <img src='http://afromusing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>5. I&#8217;ve never thought about the issue of licensing for such networks &#8211; from BarCamp &#8211; one might need to get a CCK license for something like a WiFi access-point for your neighbourhood ?</p>
<p>6. The txt messages is quite common &#8230; but how it works is again a loong explanation <img src='http://afromusing.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Erick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the US, when driving from one time zone to another, cell phones automatically update the time.  I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s transfer from one tower to another.  Maybe some kind of script can be executed at the same time?  Just guessing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the US, when driving from one time zone to another, cell phones automatically update the time.  I&#8217;m guessing it&#8217;s transfer from one tower to another.  Maybe some kind of script can be executed at the same time?  Just guessing.</p>
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		<title>By: AfroMusing</title>
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		<dc:creator>AfroMusing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maitha - looking forward to it!

Bankelele - interesting! Yeah unsolicited upselling it could have been... surprisingly i wasn&#039;t too worried about privacy (more about the technical &#039;how do they do it&#039;. still wondering...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maitha &#8211; looking forward to it!</p>
<p>Bankelele &#8211; interesting! Yeah unsolicited upselling it could have been&#8230; surprisingly i wasn&#8217;t too worried about privacy (more about the technical &#8216;how do they do it&#8217;. still wondering&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: bankelele</title>
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		<dc:creator>bankelele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>when i arrived in tanzania and uganda last month I received welcome messages from safaricom remining me that i could use my phone in these countries &lt;i&gt;kama kawaida&lt;/i&gt; i.e as usual, as if I was still in Kenya. Also, in both countries,  I received text messages (one each in Kampala and Arusha) from some 3rd party company (messages now deleted) inviting me to call /text them and get some extra mobile services - I didn&#039;t get in touch with them as they could have been premium rate companies</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when i arrived in tanzania and uganda last month I received welcome messages from safaricom remining me that i could use my phone in these countries <i>kama kawaida</i> i.e as usual, as if I was still in Kenya. Also, in both countries,  I received text messages (one each in Kampala and Arusha) from some 3rd party company (messages now deleted) inviting me to call /text them and get some extra mobile services &#8211; I didn&#8217;t get in touch with them as they could have been premium rate companies</p>
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		<title>By: maitha</title>
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		<dc:creator>maitha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hehehe ..... bado sijafikia awamu za kuitwa guru wa networking nchini kuna magwiji wakubwa kuniliko  dada  , will have a go at it and let you in on my thoughts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hehehe &#8230;.. bado sijafikia awamu za kuitwa guru wa networking nchini kuna magwiji wakubwa kuniliko  dada  , will have a go at it and let you in on my thoughts</p>
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		<title>By: African Blog Links of Interest &#124; White African</title>
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		<dc:creator>African Blog Links of Interest &#124; White African</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2007 05:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] If you don&#8217;t like the network, make your own! - Juliana from Afromusing reviews a short presentation from TEDGlobal by Jim Forester of Cisco. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] If you don&#8217;t like the network, make your own! &#8211; Juliana from Afromusing reviews a short presentation from TEDGlobal by Jim Forester of Cisco. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AfroMusing</title>
		<link>http://afromusing.com/2007/07/19/if-you-dont-like-the-network-make-your-own/comment-page-1/#comment-20673</link>
		<dc:creator>AfroMusing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its both. I am looking forward to Maitha&#039;s (http://bangaiza.kylix.co.ke/) thoughts on this..he is the networking guru in kenya.

As for FON movimiento it offers a great model, since it is able to monetize the networks and generate $ for the people who set them up. Hmmm hadn&#039;t thought of Fon. similar i think. Btw, i did get their free router but the connection kept on hanging, I gave it away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its both. I am looking forward to Maitha&#8217;s (<a href="http://bangaiza.kylix.co.ke/" rel="nofollow">http://bangaiza.kylix.co.ke/</a>) thoughts on this..he is the networking guru in kenya.</p>
<p>As for FON movimiento it offers a great model, since it is able to monetize the networks and generate $ for the people who set them up. Hmmm hadn&#8217;t thought of Fon. similar i think. Btw, i did get their free router but the connection kept on hanging, I gave it away.</p>
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